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</table>Dr.davidcringhttp://philosophyofjazz.net/w/index.php?title=Descartes_Unknown_Letter_to_Mersenne_1641&diff=72069&oldid=prevDr.davidcring at 15:08, 1 February 20242024-02-01T15:08:23Z<p></p>
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==<span style="color:fuchsia">'''Descartes's Unknown Letter to Mersenne'''</span>==<br />
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Mon Reverend Pere, le viens de recevoir vostre letre avec les obiections de Mr Gassendi et 4 feuilles impri-mees de mes Meditations. Mais la premiere feuille n'y est pas, et si vous me l'aviez en-voyée auparavant ainsy que vous m'aviez mandé que vous feriez, par la lettre que i'ay receue il y a 15 iours, elle aura esté perdué car ie n'ay point receu de vos letres il y a 8 iours. L'impression est fort belle, et la forme du livre fort convenable, seulement la marge auroit pû estre un peu plus grande, et i'aurois pû avoir icy de meilleur papier, mais ie n'aurois iamais sceu faire que les distinctions3 y eussent pû estre si bien mises. le remarque bien que c'est vous qui en avez pris le soin, et que ie vous ay en cela comme en une infinité d'autres choses beaucoup d'obligation. Il est vray que ie ne puis dire s'il n'y a point de fautes à l'impression à cause que ie ne les ay pas toutes leuès, n'ayant encore eu de tems depuis vos letres receuës que pour parcourir les longues obiections de M' Gassendi, lesquelles ie suis fort ayse d'avoir, et elles seront ce me semble fort propres pour estre imprimées en leur rang comme les autres, car son style et ses conceptions se-ront agreables au lecteur, et il a plusieurs pensées qui pourroient peutestre venir à d'au-tres, et i'espere que les responses que i'y feray serviront beaucoup à faire qu'on entende mon sens et qu'on remarque combien il est esloigné des opinions de ceux qui me repre-nent. I'y respondray le plus brievement que ie pourray mais elles sont si longues que ie ne croy pas que ie doive prendre moins de 15 iours ou 3 semaines II [1v] de terme pour cela.4 Et ie vous prie de me mander s'il sera necessaire que ie vous renvoye ses obiec-tions car elles grossiroient fort le pacquet, et Mr de Zuylichem estant maintenant en l'armée ie ne vous le puis envoyer par luy.5 En tout cas ie vous prie d'avoir soin qu'on <br />
3 The textual mark-up, cf. Descartes to Mersenne, 23 June 1641, AT III, 386/CM X, 672. 4 Descartes sent the last part of his reply to Gassendi's objections to Mersenne on 23 June. The first part of his reply was sent on 16 June presumably (cf. AT III, 384/CM X, 672).</div>Dr.davidcring